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  At The Peak Of Your JW Spirituality, Did You Ever Not Believe Something ?

  by minimus in

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  at your most "spiritual", did you believe everything that was taught----even if you didn't quite understand it all?

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  Drew,

  Are you SURE you were walking in and out of a Kingdom Hall?

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  Which JWD Posters believe in the Powers of the Occult???

  by What-A-Coincidence in

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  This questions covers a large area:

  Do I believe in Satan and the demons?

  Yes.

  Do I believe they are the "force" behind occult practices?

  Yes.

  Can they have an influence in indiviual lives?

  Yes.

  Is this interaction between spirit/flesh, mainly, by "invitation?"

  Yes.

  Is there "something" to the personality traits attached to the Zodiac?

  Yes.

  Do I engage in a pursuit of those practices and teachings involved in what we call "the occult?"

  No.

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  At The Peak Of Your JW Spirituality, Did You Ever Not Believe Something ?

  by minimus in

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  at your most "spiritual", did you believe everything that was taught----even if you didn't quite understand it all?

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  The peak of my JW spirituality occurred in the last discussion I had with the Elders in Monett: the one where I was threatened with being df'ed for apostasy. It was a forty year climb to reach the point of placing Truth above Agreement, a clear conscience above loyalty to the WT.

  And, here we are.....

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  "Cheers"

  by changeling in

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  check out what i just read in the july 07 readers digest pages 108-109 :.

  "why do we say cheers when we clink our glasses?

  the word cheer comes from the latin word face or countenance and originally referred to any facial expression, cheerful or otherwise.

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  Because I so dis-regard the "Memorial" I have daydreamed of going and, on recieving the cup, raising it high and saying: "Cheers to the memory of the Judge!"

  I have wondered, in the JW mind, which would be the worst sin:

  Saying "cheers."

  Partaking.

  Making fun of the Judge.

  Confessing my sins,

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  "The Truth", who coined the term, when did it begin circulating in JW land

  by Bob Loblaw in

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  anytime i hear one of my family members or any other jw say the phrase "the truth" in a sentence it makes my blood boil.

  christians of different denominations may ask each other: .

  "how long have you been a christian?".

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  A couple of years ago, my wife started using the term "The Lie" to describe the teachings of the JWs.

  Kinda funny,

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  SURPRISED AND SHOCKED

  by Raphael in

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  my dad passed away in december and i had to fly to south africa for his funeral.

  both my parents and just about all the extended family are devout witnesses.

  the funeral talk was held at the local kh.

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  Empathy on the loss of your Dad: I lost mine in eighty two.

  I am glad the JWs at the funeral went past cult control and, for a momment, demonstrated human kindness.

  Now, things can get back to normal......

  Take care,

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  virtual kingdom halls, the future of dubdom?

  by Mysterious in

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  http://virtualkingdomhall.com/enter.html.

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  just think no more buildings, land taxes, travelling speaker expenses, potential bad association, deviation from the main script..is this the future or will they continue to be technophobes?.

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  I liked this paragraph in the About Section:

  You can even protect your children by creating a secure place for them to meetup and talk with brothers and sisters they know and trust

  Well, that is one thing they can not do in the "real" enviroment.......

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  Life lost

  by Phil in

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  i have previously posted on the subject of finding people who could help me get some testimonials from experienced jws who have been shunned by friends and family.

  this was my way of getting my daughter to wake up to the realities of what is going on with the organization she is associated with.

  much to my sadness, i have been notified by her husband that she died this morning of lung cancer.

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  Phil,

  Your attempts were with love and concern. Being new to the Board, this is the first time I have noticed a post by you and a tragic one at that......

  Wishing you comfort in this time of loss,

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  To feel you "can"

  by Mysterious in

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  what a remarkable feeling on leaving the organization, and yet a bizzare one.

  to have the feeling that you "can" do anything you want.

  that there is time, energy and resources to devote to achieving the goals you set out for yourself.

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  Freedom is the opportunity to do as you ought....not the enviroment to do as you want.

  This has always been an interesting thought to me.....

  Wishing you the best in all your endevours and goals,

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  Please put your JW heads back on for a moment... (Memorial Meal)

  by AlphaOmega in

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  something has been bugging me for ages about the non-participation of r&f jws in the memorial meal (sounds like a mcdonalds deal) !.

  i've just worked out what it is.... only the "anointed" can partake of the emblems.. but at the original meal, as instituted by jesus, no one was anointed.

  the anointing came at pentecost, after he had died !.

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  If you think you are cross eyed on this: wait till you try to sort out the difference between the "faithful slave" and the "domestics" in the first century! :-)

  Oh....the "Memorial" is defined as "the bastardized expression of the Lord's Meal as celebrated by the JWs anusly anually." Really, why try to sort out Rutherford's booze induced, late night, speculations.....that buzzing in his ear....what is the angel saying???

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